Answering A Friend – My Stance Regarding The Charismatic Movement
For those who follow my Prophezine page on Facebook, I got a post from a friend of mine challenging me and my stance against what I believe is a great deception, The Charismatic Movement.
My friend here asked some good questions, I know that she is someone who stands with the charasmatic movement. But I know many and when I post things like this, it isnt out of malace, it is because I care and I believe them to have bought into a false idea of Christianity.
I took the time today to really pour over scripture and to try to give a loving and caring responce. Now I do not define loving and caring with heaps of sugar. I love people enough that like the doctor who’s patient has deadly cancer, I want to share the absolute truth with them in hopes that they can see that they have been decieved and possibly on that broad path instead of the narrow way.
In this I am not calling into questions people’s salvation, but I do ask that they question themselves. IF there is a reasonable doubt, then they need to do a check up from the neck up and get right with God.
This is a lengthy responce and I didn’t even present all the scripture and notes that I have on this topic, that would take up an entire book almost. (Hmmm… book idea)
So let’s jump into this and answer my friend’s questions…
A Personal Note – To my friend Tonya, I am taking this time to address these questions. I am addressing these as a whole and NOT to you personally. I just happen to use your statements and questions because they were good questions that on a whole need to be answered so that many can learn from this.
I’ve been watching this event for a while. Yes an event. It’s been interesting to read comments. Some get it others do not.
What people need to “get” is that what is taking place in Charismatic churches for the past 100 years is false, emotional, experience driven and not based on scripture except when it is pulled out of context? This is a fact and more and more people are waking up to this false doctrine fact.
However it’s very clear to me. No one has yet to provide a scripture not one scripture that states that when the last Apostle died, the gifts died with them…
Just because something is not mentioned in scripture means it is valid. We are called to properly divide God’s Word. For example, The Trinity is not mentioned in scripture but we can clearly see The Trinity when we properly discern and look at scripture in context and not taking scripture out of context. It is a doctrine that is clearly there because God’s word points to it.
Scripture says…
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
The word of God is the standard by which we are to judge all doctrines
Scripture says…
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
To accept anything outside of scripture is leaning on your own understanding. We are not to base absolute truth on our feelings, experiences, emotions or any other extra biblical things.
This is one area that charismatics always fall back on…
“Well I can’t say what is right or wrong, but I felt it / experienced it and I saw it / heard it, I just feels right in my heart…. so because of that, I deem it true.”
As much as people do not like it, this is called leaning on our own understanding.
Scripture says…
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things,and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
SO anything that “WE” determine is right instead of what God’s Word states is leaning on our own understanding.
This is a biggie and Christians have to come to grips with the fact either they submit 100% to God’s Word or they don’t.
If you are a true bible believing Christian who has submitted their lives fully to the Lord, then one must accept the Bible as absolute authority, absolute truth.
TO deviate one way or another is a form of rebellion. Rebellion is the very thing that God Satan kicked out of Heaven.
Rebellion is also what caused God to accept Abele’s sacrifice and worship and reject Cain’s sacrifice and worship.
We read in Genesis that Able followed God’s Word. Cain chooses to worship God in his own manner and reject how God wanted to be worshipped. “I will worship God how “I” want to worship God, he don’t like, well kiss my grits.”
That is the attitude of about 90% of the Christians in the church today.
So, either you bow and submit to God’s Word or you don’t.
DO you realize that to reject God’s Word is rejecting Christ?
Scripture proclaims …
John 1:1-5 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Jesus IS THE WORD and to reject God’s Word is to reject Jesus himself. To reject Christ is the spirit of Antichrist.
Scripture says…
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
So this is a major issue that we either submit without bias or we do not and apply our own understanding. In other words, Scripture alone or Scripture PLUS…
The gifts are in the the New Testament. Not the Old.
This is a common false idea promoted by many. The problem is that God is the same. All ideas and doctrines were in the old testament as much as in the new. Salvation, grace through faith, orderly worship, etc. All there.
To make this claim separating God’s Word is to say we separate Christ himself into two halves. It cannot be, God is the same yesterday, today and forever. What happened in the old, also happened in the new.
Scripture says…
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Malachi 3:6a For I am the Lord, I change not …
And actually Peter who proclaimed the gospel at penticost quoted Joel, which is from the old testament.
Charismatic’s are getting a bad rap from those that hide behind a keyboard.
If that is directed at me, I do not hide. I boldly work to proclaim the truth. The problem is that most people do not want to hear the absolute truth because then they have to make a choice. That choice being “Do they submit to that truth” or “Do they continue on leaning upon their own understanding, thier heart, those feelings, those emotions, those experiances etc.”
Most continue to lean upon their own understanding.
Scripture says…
1 Corinthians 10:21 (KJV) Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
Isaiah 8:20 (KJV) “to the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
1John 2:4-5(KJV) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Besides, charismatics are doing a good enough job on their own giving their own black eyes. All that I am doing is shining the light in the darkness that the charismatics do not like or appreciate.
WHY?
Because it means that they have to come to the grips that they have been deceived in the age of deception. They have to admit that even though they say they know God’s Word, all they really know is cherry picked scripture to prop up their false ideas.
Often what happens next is that their Cognitive Dissonance takes over.
What is Cognitive Dissonance?
“Mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information.
When a person comes up against new information that tends to oppose their long-held beliefs, tremendous angst can be the result. To keep the mind harmonized, the person will simply reject the new information. “The concept was introduced by the psychologist Leon Festinger (1919–89) in the late 1950s. He and later researchers showed that, when confronted with challenging new information, most people seek to preserve their current understanding of the world by rejecting, explaining away, or avoiding the new information or by convincing themselves that no conflict really exists. Cognitive dissonance is nonetheless considered an explanation for attitude change.“
Instead of stepping back and truly searching their soul, being a good Berean like Paul tells us to in Acts 17:11, and then submitting to scripture, they lash out thinking they are being personally attacked and still remain in ignorance to absolute truth found in God’s Word.
So by their own choice, they stay in the dark and continue to allow their feelings, emotions, heart felt ideas, their own understanding guide them instead of leaning solely on God’s Word, the absolute truth.
I get excited about God. I don’t shelf him. I let him out and love to dance In His presence. If you don’t then good for you. But don’t shame those that do. I bet a lot of you use to dance at bars. God saved you from that life style so why not dance in joy!!
Do you see the words you are using here? I Get, I Don’t, I Let… I … I…I
This is the same words that Lucifer said as well as Cain.
Isaiah 14:12-14 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
I will choose how I worship God,
I will choose how to get excited,
I will choose how to dance.
Rebellion to God is rebellion to God no matter how you make it or justify it. It is still rebellion.
Ansering The Questions – “not one scripture that states that when the last Apostle died, the gifts died with them.”
You are correct, there is not one, but many.
Point 1 – The signs and wonders that the charismatics like to promote are spoken of in the past tense.
Scripture says…
2 Corinthians 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
Hebrews 2:3-4 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
Interestingly Charismatics use these very scriptures to promote their ides all the while NOT remaining in context and NOT observing that the events are spoken about as PAST events, not present or future.
Knowing that Jesus Christ is THE WORD and that He is GOD, Jesus Christ said that an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.
Jesus Said…
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
NOW… did the apostolic gift stop? YES and it is clearly seen in scripture when we properly study His Word.
Point 2 – The gift of healing was a sign
Exodus 4:6-8 And the Lord said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow. 7 And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh. 8 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.
When did the apostolic gifts stop? It is believed that it stopped with Paul. He had the gift of healing. It stopped because he was then writing to the churches, those letters is what helped become the New Testament that we have today.
Signs, wonders and such are there to attest to the God and the Gospel. That form of authentication is no longer needed because the Word was being put down in writing. The fact that the apostils wrote it and was giving eye witness was the authentication.
Point 3 – Paul Lost His Gifts
Based on study of the scripture I believe that the gifts were corporately lost with Paul. Scriptures records this fact.
Scripture says…
2 Corinthians 12:5-10 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
Paul was known for healing. But God’s Word then PROVES this in that near the end of Paul’s ministry Paul lost the ability to heal. Paul could not heal Trophimus.
Scripture says…
2 Timothy 4: 20 Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.
God even confirms this another time when instead of healing Timothy, Paul gave him medical advice.
Scripture says…
1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities.
Also for a side note, the gift of healing is not based on one being present. Christ healed the little girl and the servant of the centurion from a distance.
Point 4 – Satan Heals Too
What most charismatics also refuse to admit is that Satan himself has the power to heal and this will cause millions to be led astray in the coming Tribulation Period
Scripture Says…
Revelation 13:1-4 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
This is why I do not stand on signs, wonders and modern day prophets.
It is these things (signs) that people look for vs standing on the solid truth of the Word of God. It is wrong to seek signs… period.
We know that in the last days that the Antichrist will perform many signs and wonders to the likes that will deceive the very elect.
How many charasmatics are believing in these ideas that I have shown here to be false?
How many are being deceived in these last days?
The power of deception is ultimately strong so much so that the enemy himself is deceiving the very elect. The charismatic church is proof positive of this.
But will they admit it? No.. instead they get mad.
How Mad Are You Right Now?
Did you make it this far? If so I applaud you. But I have to ask, are you upset at me? Mad? Defensive? Are you digging your heals in about the things I am saying here? DO you honestly think that you cannot be deceived?
Here is a video presenting truth… Holy Spirit or Hindu Spirit – Which spirit is slaying your church –http://youtu.be/d3latP4okhU
Here is another – The Voodoo Origins Of Being Slain In The Spirit – http://youtu.be/uZRB0Kie79U
Looking at this, how can one claim that what is taking place in charismatic churches today is of God?
I have to ask, Why is God copying Satan?
This is not the actions of a holy people before a Holy God. If you say it is, then you do not understand the word Holy or undersand what it means to truly Fear God.
What is taking place in charismatic churches today is a deception that has been sold to man for the past 100 years.
Here is another thing to think about.
God’s Chain of Command
God NEVER jumps his chain of command. God >> Jesus >> Man/Husband/Father>>> Woman.
There have never been any doctrines of God that were initiated by a woman.
Why?
Because it is stepping outside of God’s Natural Law and his creation. Gpd will not break His own law, he is incapable of it. To do that is to sin and God is perfect so He is Holy and He can not sin.
This order was established in the garden…
Genesis 21:21-25 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22 and the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. 25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Over and over again we are shown that man is the head and all the oracles and doctrine of God came through man, not woman.
The reason is that God made man to be logical and woman to be emotional. As leaders we are called to lean only on God’s Word and not our own understanding where it is opposite for the woman. This is also why God’s Word states that Women should not usurp authority over man.
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
It is Aimee Semple McPherson who is credited for shaping, forming and basically creating the charismatic movement. She was then followed by Kathryn Kuhlman who spawned off Benny Hinn, Paula White, Jan Crouch, Rick Joyner and the list goes on.
God’s doctrine does not come from a woman, it is out of character and against His word and against His own law. But it is McPherson who is the person who created the entire charismatic movement that we know today and because of her a 100 years later we continue to have a false doctrine today.
Who Do You REALLY Serve? Get Real With Yourself
I have said a lot here.
To any of you who lean upon charismatic teachings you can either seek God’s forgiveness repent and step away from this unbiblical teachings, or you can continue in it and reject God’s Holy Word.
Speaking in jibberish, convulsing on the floor, running around like banshees, is not how we are called to act in the presence of God. That is of the church of Cain.
God’s Word clearly states over and over – BE YE HOLY FOR I AM HOLY.
It is this fear and holiness that we are commanded by God to conduct our worship and order to God. It is that conduct and order that keeps us sober and reflective of His Holiness. Not turning into emotional convulsing banshees that remind us more of the voodoo worshiper vs those who are His children.
These voodoo / Hindu like girations, the confusing jibberish, and all the other unholy actions that charasmatics claim are good and right are actually the oppoosite of God’s Word.
Yet many will take you to the mat over these errors.
Scripture says..
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
This is exactly what is taking place today in charismatic churches. They have refused to submit to God’s Absolute Truth and even now as I write, I know some of you are rejecting what I say as well. There are those of you who will choose the evil even after presenting what I have presented from God’s Word.
So I have to ask those who are rejecting what I am saying the following question…
It is a fact, I have presented the absolute truth from God’s Word. IF you are having problems accepting this, then I have to ask “ Who do you serve”?
If you reject God’s Word, scripture says that the light is not in you. That is God’s own Word, not me.
IF you think I am wrong, think me the fool, think that I am mean and have an ax to grind, I don’t.
I am a watchman and I am called to proclaim the truth. IF I choose not to do this and sugar coat things, then the blood of the innocent is upon my hands.
I do what I do because I honestly care about my fellow man. I do it because I love people. But I refuse to sugar coat people into hell.
There is a saying.. “The Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth.”
Folks, this is not my opionion. I have stuck with God’s Word.
Again… are you hating what I have presented here? Are you hating the truth? BE REAL WITH YOURSELF. Give yourself that permission for a moment.
Scripture says…
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Do you know what the term “The Natural Man” means?
It means that the person is not saved. If you do not like what I have presented, the scripture, the contending for the faith that I have done here; IF you do not like these things and they are foolishness to you, you may not be saved.
Now please know I am not judging your heart. We are not able to do that. Only you and God can do that. I need you to judge your own heart.
Being truly saved means that you submit to Jesus Christ. Giving Him your all. Not when you feel like it or not or when it suits you.
Either you serve HIM or you serve SATAN. There is not middle of the road, there is no being lukewarm.
So if what I have presented here is rubbing you the wrong way, you’re mad, and there is animosticty, you need to do a serious check up from the neck up and ask why you are upset and ask God if you are truly saved.
We are living in the last days of the last days. Now more than ever deception is all around us. It is almost like we have to be hyper sensitive to what is going on and check the scriptures over and over again to make sure we are holding true to Him.
Scripture Alone – Sola Scriptura
We need to chuck all the books, all the DVDs, all these Hollywood pastors and teachers and get back to God’s Word alone.
IF this article has upset you, and you find yourself arguing against me, ask yourself why are you arguing against God’s Word?
Ask why you are in a mindset of rebellion instead of being a sheep in acceptance of the Lord, our shepherd’s teaching? It is His Word, not mine. I am just the messenger, He wrote it not me.
So if you are feeling angry, rebellious, upset, stop and step back for a moment and get real with yourself and ask “could I have been deceived all these years?”
IF there is any reasonable doubt that you could have been decieved, you need to stop what you are doing and seek out God’s Forgiveness and ask Him to cleanse of these unscriptural and unholy things.
IF there is that reasonable doubt, please get right with God.
Scripture says…
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If there is still rebellion, anger, pride and rejection going on inside, then ask yourself who’s characteristics are those.. God or Satan?
If you are honest with yourself you have to answer Satan.
Then ask yourself again.. Who do you serve and depending on how you answered that last question will give you the answer to whom you really serve and submit too.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.
If you have an ax to grind with me, don’t bother, go back to the anger, rebellion part and read that again.
It is absolute truth that I am presenting.
That is what you will have to eventually submit to and contend with…. or ultimately reject. And the rejection of God’s Word is not a good thing at all.
