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Questioning the Deity of Christ

September 3, 2013

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I am amazed at the number of people, both Christian and non-Christian who support and question the deity of Christ.

Romans 12:1 (KJV) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Here in Romans 12:1, which is one of my favorite verses, we learn that we are to live a holy and acceptable life unto God.

Why?

Because if we claim the name of Christ and He is our Savior, it is our reasonable service that we in turn live our lives for Him. Even as far as in some cases, give our life for Him as many martyrs have done in the past and in the present day today.

Think about what Christ did and His suffering for us.

We read in scripture the following…

Matthew 27:26-31 Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

27 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers.

28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.

29 And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!

30 And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.

31 And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.

What Was It Like To Be Scourged?

Scourging was one of the means of punishment that many societies handed out as judicial punishment. But it was the Romans who were masters at the art of this absolutely brutal torture.

When an order was given to scourge an individual, the victim was first stripped completely naked so his entire flesh was completely exposed. In many pictures, we see Christ at least in undergarments. This was not the case. He was stripped naked. This allowed his whole back of his body to be open and uncovered to the beating and brutality of the torturer’s whip.

The victim was often chained or tied to a two-foot- high scourging post. In this position the person was forced to be on his or her knees. His hands were then bound together and his wrists were then securely shackled to the metal ring that was over his head. This prevented the body from moving even if the person passed out. When put in this locked position, the victim couldn’t wiggle or move, and it was virtually impossible to avoid or dodge the lashes that were being laid across his back.

Romans took special delight in the fact that they were the “best” at punishing a victim with this brutal act.

One historian notes that the mere anticipation of the first blow caused the victim’s body to grow rigid, the muscles to knot in his stomach, the color to drain from his cheeks, and his lips to draw tight against his teeth.

The person, even though they have not been touched by the whip, was already going into shock due to the anticipation of his flesh being torn open.

This is what Christ felt moments before He was whipped.

Then the beatings would start.

Historical records describe a victim’s back as being so mutilated after a Roman scourging that his spine would actually be exposed. Others recorded how the bowels of a victim would actually spill out through the open wounds created by the whip. The Early Church historian Eusebius wrote: “The veins were laid bare, and the very muscles, sinews, and bowels of the victim were open to exposure.”

The Roman torturer would so aggressively strike his victim that he wouldn’t even take the time to untangle the bloody, flesh-filled straps as he lashed the whip across the victim’s mangled body over and over again. If the scourging wasn’t stopped, the slicing of the whip would eventually flay the victim’s flesh off his body.

With so many blood vessels sliced open by the whip, the victim would begin to experience a profuse loss of blood and bodily fluids. The heart would pump harder and harder, struggling to get blood to the parts of the body that were profusely bleeding. But it was like pumping water through an open water hydrant; there was nothing left to stop the blood from pouring through the victim’s open wounds.

This loss of blood caused the victim’s blood pressure to drop drastically. Because of the massive loss of bodily fluids, he would experience excruciating thirst, often fainting from the pain and eventually going into shock. Frequently the victim’s heartbeat would become so irregular that he would go into cardiac arrest.

Details of Scrounging

Christ was tortured on our behalf.

Jesus Christ, our Savior, paid The ULTIMATE PRICE FOR US.

1 Peter 2:24 (KJV) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

It was through His Stripes, His beating, Him being Tortured, Christ going through all that He did that we were then “healed”. Meaning that because Christ died and was sacrificed for us, we could stand before God and be sinless. It was Christ’s blood that redeemed us and cleansed us from all unrighteousness.

Jesus, after His beating was then humiliated by the Romans.

And He was then forced to carry His (our cross) to the site of execution, Galgotha

John 19:17 (KJV) And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

It was here that He was laid upon the Cross and the nails driven into His hands and feet.

Yes these pictures are disturbing, but this is just a glimpse of what actually took place. We know that it was absolutely brutal what Jesus, our Messiah allowed himself to be put through, all for our behalf.

Why did He do this?

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

He paid the price so that we would not have to. He gave His life and died so that we might live. He gave His ALL, so that we could live forever with Him for all eternity.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND; I mean really understand what Christ did for us?

Now do you then understand that it is our “Reasonable Service” to live our lives for Him?

That means mind, body, soul, our very essence has been bought for a price.

Romans 12:1 (KJV) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

But there is more to this. We are called to not be part of the world any longer. We are also called to renew our minds with His Word that we may prove to be good, acceptable and be in the perfect will of God.

Romans 12:2 (KJV) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I guess what I have to ask if you have truly, and I mean truly submitted to God?

There is lip service and then there is your actions.

Now the Hard Part

Last week I wrote a pretty controversial article titled “America is Gone – What Do We Do Now?”

In fact, I lost two good friends because they took great offense at what I wrote, so they chose to break fellowship.

It was hurtful to see these people go.

They got bent out of shape because I stated that you needed to dump your modern version and get a real bible.

To put what I said in proper context, I stated that if you and your family are to survive the hard times, the rough times and most likely the persecution, you need to put as many odds in your favor for you to survive.

One of those odds, I stated, was getting a King James Bible and make that bible your family’s foundation.

I got a lot of grief over this and had several hate emails sent, mean Facebook posts with people disagreeing with me. Some called me judgmental, Pharisee, bigoted, etc.

Here is the point that everyone seemed to go right over, not pay attention to, ignored, rejected, etc, etc.

ALL MODERN VERSIONS FROM 1803 TO PRESENT QUESTION THE DEITY OF CHRIST
IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.

This is a fact.

But the sad thing is this, people do not care that the modern versions do this.

I don’t care about the Greek, Hebrew or how poorly you have command of the English language.

The truth is the truth, every modern version denies Christ in one form or another.

SO… with this knowledge why, if you are using one of these modern versions, are you using it?

Why are you using some perverted version of God’s Word that in its pages denies Christ in one form or another?

Go back and look at what our Savior did for us.

Look at the price He paid for us.

Look at the blood He spilt, the suffering He went through and He did all of this for us…

He did that FOR YOU.

So why do you fill your brain with a perversion of the bible that denies Him?

Folks, I am probably going to stir up the pot here and will probably lose readers over this.

But if you are one of those people who are getting hot under the collar, I have to ask you WHY?

Why are you getting hot under the collar?

Why are you so willing to defend a perversion of the Bible that denies our very Lord and Savior?

WHY?

Because you don’t understand it? – Well get a dictionary.

It is hard to read? – Pray the Holy Spirit illuminates the scriptures for you and teaches you.

There are errors with the King James? – Show me where it denies Christ.

The Father of All Modern Versions

Do you know that there is one person that we can point to that is basically the “father of all modern versions”?

Who is he?

Charles Thomson, he was a Patriot leader in Philadelphia during the American Revolution and he was the secretary of the Continental Congress from 1774–1789 throughout its existence.

He was also the head of the Library of Congress as well as the person who translated the English Translation of the Greek Septuagint (LXX) Bible.

It is the Septuagint that all the modern versions stem from.

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NOTE – Charles Thompson is not the same person who the Thompson Chain Reference Bible is named after.

The Thompson Chain-Reference system was devised by its namesake, Dr. Frank C. Thompson, in the early 1900s, but the original work was started in 1890. Dr. Frank Charles Thompson was born in 1858, in Elmira, New York, and was ordained in 1879. His wife was Laura Boughton Thompson. He became dissatisfied with the reference Bibles that were then available to preachers.

Dr. Thompson believed the Bible should be presented in a simple, but scholarly way. He saw the need for a well-organized reference Bible that would be of practical use to the layman as well as a minister. In 1890, Dr. Thompson began the work he would continue for the rest of his life. He completed the “thought suggestions” opposite the verses throughout the Bible. These are what became the “chain-links” that are the heart of the Thompson system. Some of the men in Dr. Thompson’s church saw his Bible and told him this would be a great help to them in their Bible study too. They encouraged Dr. Thompson to have his Bible, with marginal references, published so that everyone could enjoy the blessing of this helpful study tool.

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But there is also something darker with Charles Thompson and his fame

He was the one who was tasked and created the Great Seal.

Yes, it was Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson who were in charge of this project, but it was Charles Thompson who created it and help finalize it.

The Great Seal on the One Dollar Bill

Listen, I am not a fan of the Septuagint. There are myths that Christ quoted from it, and it pre dates Christ. Both of these are wives tales that have grown over the years from lie, to truth. If you feel the need, you can research it yourself. I have several documents that provide the background of the Septuagint. Email me and I will send them to you.

But this article is not about the Septuagint, it is about denying Christ.

The very translation that all modern versions stem from was translated from a very questionable document, The Septuagint.

It was also translated by a very powerful “behind the scenes” sort of person, Charles Thompson.

He was someone who was not in the forefront, but the one behind the scenes with the ability to create and influence policy, direction, and power.

As many of you know there is and has been a “shadow government” in the US as well as the world.

Many of you know and understand the symbols behind the great seal.

We see a 13-step pyramid with the year 1776 in Roman numerals at the base.

Below the pyramid, a scroll reads “Novus Ordo Seclorum” – Latin for New World Order or New Age.

We have the all Seeing Eye of Osiris above the pyramid.

On the front we have the eagle, with arrows and olive branches while overhead 13 stars in the shape of a 6 pointed star.

If you have been paying attention, you know about the Illuminate, the freemason, and other secret organizations that are part of the shadow government that has been with us for several hundred years.

The same person who created this dark, secretive symbol was the very same person who was also the father of all modern versions of the Bible.

You understand the background is of these groups and organizations. Wouldn’t it help our nation “stray” if the powers that be could also create a version of the bible that would cast doubt on God’s Word and challenge the deity of Christ?

What you need to remember is the larger picture, the war that goes on to this day between God and Satan.

Think it is impossible for Satan to plant a seed of poison to cause our very nation and even the world to ask “Hath God Said”?

The First Temptation Still Works Today

Genesis 3:1-5 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

This is the first recorded history of temptation and what did Satan use to temp Eve?

“Hath God Said?”

Satan: “Did God really say not to eat of every tree in the garden?”

Eve: “Yes God said to not eat from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, if you do, you will die.:

Satan: “Oh don’t pay attention to what God said, “Ye shall not surely die.”

The rest is history and was the fall of man.

Satan is using the same temptation today.

It amazes me the vile hatred and venom that comes from some Christian’s mouths in defending these perversions of God’s Word.

Think about this for a moment.

THESE PEOPLE DEFEND BIBLES THAT DENY JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOR.

That is a fact, you should read the hate mail I get every time I write about this.

This is why I am asking, doesn’t it matter to people that ALL modern versions deny Christ?

After everything He has done for you, you still accept a perverted bible that says He is not who He said He is?

Well, the next question I have to ask, if you are for these modern perversions, then do you love God and His Son Jesus Christ?

If you truly love Him, why do you accept these versions which call into question the deity of The Son of God – Jesus Christ?

This is the same Jesus Christ who died for your sins and the same Christ who we are to give our reasonable service to.

IN FACT… let me show you a perversion…

Romans 12:1 (KJV) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

As you can see it is the King James Bible that tells us that it is our reasonable service that we are to give to God. We are commanded to live for Him.

Here are some examples that have been perverted…

NIV – New International Version

12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.

God’s Word Translation

12 Brothers and sisters, in view of all we have just shared about God’s compassion, I encourage you to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, dedicated to God and pleasing to him. This kind of worship is appropriate for you.

ASV – American Standard Version

12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service.

Complete Jewish Bible

12 I exhort you, therefore, brothers, in view of God’s mercies, to offer yourselves as a sacrifice, living and set apart for God. This will please him; it is the logical “Temple worship” for you.

ESV – English Standard Version

2 I appeal to you therefore, brothers,^[a] by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

Romans 12:1 that tells us that it is our “Reasonable Service.” But all modern versions tells us it is our…

Spiritual Service
The Logical Temple
Worship that is appropriate
True and proper worship

Romans 12 commands us that it is our reasonable service to serve God and live a life holy and acceptable.

Where the modern versions makes it a choice. That is if we want to follow it and live our lives holy and acceptable to God.

The modern versions allow us to do as we please. Where the KJV makes it matter of being a subject to our King and Savior and also commands us to submit to God.

The modern versions allow us to say “DID GOD REALLY SAY THAT?

Do we really have to obey God?

Do we really have to live a holy and acceptable life unto Him?

“Hath God Said?”

More Proof?

The following is a very good chart compiling the changes in some of the more popular modern versions

The table compares various verses in the KJV, NIV, NASB, and NWT. The term “OMITTED” is used when either the phrase or word in question is omitted.

I know that some people will object to the using of the NWT. Some will complain that the NWT is an “obvious” corruption of Scripture on the part of the Jehovah’s Witness cult.

BUT it is added so that you will notice how often the “cult” version of their bible and the NIV and the NASB are frequently in agreement with each other.

	AV (King James)	New International	New American Standard	New World Translation
Mt 1:25	firstborn son	a son	a Son	a son
Mt 8:29	Jesus, thou Son of God	Son of God	Son of God	Son of God
Mt 13:51	Yea, Lord	Yes	Yes	Yes
Mt 16:20	Jesus the Christ	the Christ	the Christ	the Christ
Mk 9:24	Lord, I believe	I do believe	I do believe	I have faith
Mk 11:10	that cometh in the name of the Lord	coming	coming	coming
Lk 4:41	Thou art Christ the Son of God	You are the Son of God	You are the Son of God	You are the Son of God
Lk 7:31	the Lord said	OMITTED	OMITTED	OMITTED
Lk 22:31	the Lord said	OMITTED	OMITTED	OMITTED
Lk 23:42	he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me	Jesus, remember me	Jesus, remember me	Jesus, remember me
Jn 4:42	the Christ, the Saviour	the Savior	the Savior	the Savior
Jn 6:69	Christ, the Son of the Living God	Holy One of God	Holy One of God	Holy One of God
Jn 9:35	Son of God	Son of Man	Son of Man	Son of man
Ac 16:31	Lord Jesus Christ	Lord Jesus	Lord Jesus	Lord Jesus
Ro 1:16	gospel of Christ	gospel	gospel	good news
1Co 15:47	the second man is the Lord from heaven	the second man from heaven	the second man is from heaven	the second man is out of heaven
1Co 16:22	Lord Jesus Christ	Lord	Lord	Lord
1Co 16:23	Lord Jesus Christ	Lord Jesus	Lord Jesus	Lord Jesus
2Co 4:6	Jesus Christ	Christ	Christ	Christ
2Co 5:18	Jesus Christ	Christ	Christ	Christ
2Co 11:31	Lord Jesus Christ	Lord Jesus	Lord Jesus	Lord Jesus
Eph 3:9	created all things by Jesus Christ	created all things	created all things	created all things
Eph 3:14	Father of our Lord Jesus Christ	Father	Father	Father
Co 1:2	Lord Jesus Christ	OMITTED	OMITTED	OMITTED
Co 1:28	Christ Jesus	Christ	Christ	Christ
1Th 2:19	Lord Jesus Christ	Lord Jesus	Lord Jesus	Lord Jesus
1Th 3:11	Lord Jesus Christ	Lord Jesus	Jesus our Lord	Lord Jesus
1Th 3:13	Lord Jesus Christ	Lord Jesus	Lord Jesus	Lord Jesus
2Th 1:8	Lord Jesus Christ	Lord Jesus	Lord Jesus	Lord Jesus
1Ti 2:7	truth in Christ	truth	truth	truth
2Ti 4:1	Lord Jesus Christ	Christ Jesus	Christ Jesus	Christ Jesus
He 3:1	Christ Jesus	Jesus	Jesus	Jesus
1Pe 5:10	Christ Jesus	Christ	Christ	Christ
1Jo 1:7	Jesus Christ	Jesus	Jesus	Jesus

Now some of you may want to split hairs and say your version is not there, well do your homework and if JUST ONE VERSE denies Christ, then you support a perversion of the bible that denies the very personhood and deity of Jesus Christ.

Remember you are supporting a version that denies the very Son of God who suffered, was tortured, and was nailed to the cross for our sins.

Are you are willing to shame our Lord and Savior by supporting a perversion of God’s Word?

If so, WHY?

James 4:17 (KJV) Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

This is why I opened this article with such graphic pictures so that you would realize what Jesus did for us.

Now I know that there are some of you who are very hot under the collar and getting upset because I am coming down on their “holy cow” perversion of God’s Word.

This is why I am saying that it has nothing to do with the Greek and the Hebrew. That is just “straw man” argument that so many turn to to prop up their corrupt modern version.

The Real Issue – The Masses

Here is the 100,000 foot question, the big picture if one could call it that.

What will the masses who read these perversions, absorb?

How many people truly dig into the Greek and Hebrew themselves?

People today go to these sugar coated pastors, read books, watch TV, DVDs instead of being the Bereans that Paul tells us to be in Acts 17:11.

It is the printed word that matters and it is these printed perversions that have perverted God’s Word these last 150 or so years.

Because if this, people have learned to softly deny Christ daily and think nothing of it.

People choose a version that allows them to worship God the way THEY want, and not the way God COMMANDS us to worship Him.

This idea is often called “the church of Cain.” Like Cain who chose to provide God with fruits and vegetables upon his alter, where Abel provided a proper sacrifice upon his alter.

God accepted Abel’s sacrifice and rejected Cain’s because Cain chose not to worship God the way God commanded.

When we worship God the way WE want to worship Him we are acting just like Cain, not worshiping God the way He commanded us.

The King James Bible speaks with authority, conviction and demands us to be obedient to God.

Modern version let us do what we want with no or little consequence.

In fact, the word “hell” occurs 31 times in the Old Testament in the King James Bible. In the Old Testament of the NIV it occurs – ZERO!

The word “hell” is NOT in the Old Testament of the NIV!

So why care about consequence when there is no Hell according to the NIV?

Do you understand why things different are not the same?

In the end it will be up to you and what you chose to do what version of the bible you choose to use.

But from this point on, if you are not using the King James, you now know that you are using a version that denies our Savior and Lord.

The modern version lets you worship the way you want just like Cain did.

This is why there are so many different versions out there. If you have a pet sin, there is bible version that will prop up that sin.

Sure you can give 101 different excuses, but I have painted a pretty clear picture here as well as show you historical background and perverted scripture examples.

You are free to go ahead and make excuses and ignore the facts; you’re not alone, there are many, many others who are doing the same thing.

Christ spoke about these people….

Matthew 7:13-14 (KJV) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matthew 7:20-23 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You now know the truth and the facts.

Because of this knowledge, God will hold you accountable to Him when you stand before Him.

How will you reconcile with God that you CHOSE to use a version that denied His Son?

What will YOU say when you stand before Him?

What excuse will you give?

God Promised Us To Preserve His Word

Scripture says…

Psalm 12:6-7 (KJV) “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”

That is God’s promise and it is fulfilled through The King James Bible, the ONLY Authorized Version of The Bible in existence today.

What Bible will you stand upon? One that lies about Our Savior, or will you stand and submit to the preserved Word found in The King James?

The final choice is yours.

I have presented my evidence and you can choose to either accept it or not.

But Remember, you can no longer say you did not know, and you will be held accountable to Him one day when we stand before the Bema Seat and give account to God Almighty.

James 4:17 (KJV) Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Finally, if you disagree with me and you want to debate, don’t bother. If you are truly interested in researching the topic, I would be happy to send you links to good solid information.

God is not a God of “middle of the road – grey area”.

He is binary, meaning YES or NO, black or white, on or off.

There is no grey middle of the road.

In fact, that is an idea that the modern versions promote and it is a lie strait from the pit of Hell.

Scripture Says…

Isaiah 8:20 (KJV) “to the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”

1 Corinthians 10:21 (KJV) Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.

1John 2:4-5 (KJV) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Revelation 2:2 (KJV) “I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:”

Revelation 3:16 (KJV) So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth.

If you want to learn more, contact me and I will provide you some good sources so that you can research this yourself.

We are coming into the last days of the last days. Times are getting hard, put as many odds in your favor as you can. Make the KJV the foundation for you and your family. It will get you through the hard times that are quickly approaching.